Participants: Alejandro Duque, Peter Fuchs, Adila Laidi-Hanieh.

10:03 <+adila> hi veryone, good m. love the good news no news. big refrain of artists and poets here, espcailly young ones emphasising their lives as distint from the feed of news and images from al jazira, wishing to affirm their indvduality even if their lives r indeed crtailed by ocupation, they r cases of vctms refusing to b frmtted/frozen in role of eternal vctm

10:06 <@PeterFuchs> I am looking foeward for the tomorrow discussion, where we will talk about the “news effect”. Tomorrow at 18:00

10:54 < aleij_> hola todos

10:54 <@PeterFuchs> hi

10:54 < aleij_> hi PeterFuchs

10:54 < aleij_> was checking the deadulos project yesterday

10:54 < aleij_> tx for that link

10:54 <@PeterFuchs> you are welcome

11:02 < aleij_> interesting that the guy from deadulos is doing using a script on the server to see the sitiuation in WOW every 15 min

11:03 < aleij_> he claims they have data from 2 years and can see the patterns or “movement” in certain areas of the World

11:03 <@PeterFuchs> A new approach to surveys at all

11:03 < aleij_> i mean, it can be applied to anything

11:03 <@PeterFuchs> yes, you are right

11:04 < aleij_> at the sime time is like the mirror is the algorithm..

11:04 <@PeterFuchs> it seems to me some sort of dream-survey, they would like if they were able to track movements like this

11:04 < aleij_> exactly

11:05 <@PeterFuchs> It happened to me one: Our guild was on a Hunt in Anarchy online (200 or so members)

11:05 <@PeterFuchs> and then our base was attacked by “chinese farmers”

11:05 <@PeterFuchs> and this caused a server wide outrage

11:05 < adila> hi

11:06 < aleij_> hi adila

11:06 <@PeterFuchs> and all the people started to hunt down the chinease on the serves

11:06 <@PeterFuchs> it was a digital genoside for 2 days

11:06 < aleij_> PeterFuchs: what? sounds incredible

11:06 <@PeterFuchs> I was shocked by the anger people had

11:07 <@PeterFuchs> it was incredible indeed

11:07 < aleij_> crazy

11:07 < aleij_> did you documented it?

11:07 <@PeterFuchs> And it was a result of hatespeach!

11:07 <@PeterFuchs> nope

11:08 < aleij_> also, do you have any record of the use of sound in present games?

11:08 <@PeterFuchs> becouse our leaders said on the main channel to other guild leaders: we were attacked intentionally while we were busy with the hunt…”

11:08 <@PeterFuchs> I could find some link

11:09 <@PeterFuchs> on that

11:09 <@PeterFuchs> by which aspect you mean?

11:10 <@PeterFuchs> sound effects or sound control?

11:10 < aleij_> well, it could be a technical (DPS) to artistic or psychological use of the acoustic layer in games

11:11 <@PeterFuchs> do you know Homo Ludens exhibition in Laboral, Spain?

11:11 < aleij_> i have found little in regards to artistic uses.. there is electroplanktum for the DS

11:11 < aleij_> and some fun things from Ludic Society

11:11 < aleij_> using RFID and GPS

11:12 <@PeterFuchs> check out at we-make-money-not-art , if oyu don't

11:12 < aleij_> to remap the city

11:12 < aleij_> yes, regines blog

11:12 <@PeterFuchs> as far as I remember, they had a sound controled stuff

11:12 < aleij_> is good source, but im hoping to get more deep studies in the subject

11:13 < aleij_> what about game MODS

11:14 < aleij_> i've been interested on working on one

11:14 <@PeterFuchs> I met a street musician here in Budapest, Hungary, who was playing in one of the most notable hungarian classic orchestra, but quited to de computer games music

11:14 <@PeterFuchs> I am a big MOD advocte and fan

11:14 <@PeterFuchs> I am also having a televsion show on modding

11:14 < aleij_> ahh great

11:14 <@PeterFuchs> as an editor and host

11:15 <@PeterFuchs> I beleive moding is a future artform

11:15 < aleij_> it is

11:15 <@PeterFuchs> take, modify, express

11:15 <@PeterFuchs> I am almost excusively play mods

11:15 < aleij_> im not in a rush to it since its certainly also big hype right now

11:15 < aleij_> im sure i will fall

11:16 < aleij_> but i do my research, at least to myself, before i choose what and how to do it

11:16 <@PeterFuchs> I think it will divert a little bit, and there will be some schools of modding

11:16 < aleij_> thats why i havent began

11:16 < aleij_> you might know the work of laboiteblanche

11:16 <@PeterFuchs> like content based modding, political modding, etc

11:17 <@PeterFuchs> yes

11:17 < aleij_> yes, i've meet julian oliver recently, he has good thoughts on that

11:17 < aleij_> and on many other things, great person

11:18 <@PeterFuchs> political modding is a HUGE issue here, in eastern eurpora, and also as I reckon on Palestine for example

11:18 < aleij_> so to be a MODS player you need to have many computers and systems

11:19 <@PeterFuchs> modding games to be a really interesting political tool

11:19 < aleij_> it took me a month preparing a machine to play Myst, UT mods, and some NES for a demo i never did

11:19 <@PeterFuchs> I am quite good on this

11:19 < aleij_> how many computers you use for this?

11:19 <@PeterFuchs> can emulate almost any enviroment

11:19 <@PeterFuchs> 1

11:19 < aleij_> windoes based?

11:20 <@PeterFuchs> I modify the code, if nesseary

11:20 <@PeterFuchs> partly, half windows, half ubuntu

11:20 < aleij_> but for the mods, the emulators run under windoes?

11:21 <@PeterFuchs> Yes, with exelent support

11:21 < aleij_> let say i want to see the palestine mods

11:21 < aleij_> i will need what to run them?

11:22 <@PeterFuchs> there was an exhibition http://transition.turbulence.org/blog/2007/10/04/play-cultures-serbia/

11:22 <@PeterFuchs> play cultures

11:22 <@PeterFuchs> in Serbia 1 year ago

11:22 < aleij_> theres a big script based on the colombian situation that can feed one of those FPS games

11:22 <@PeterFuchs> on which I have seen a UT mod based on Palestinian and Israeli skins

11:23 <@PeterFuchs> by Alon Tzarafi I think

11:24 <@PeterFuchs> but it was a grassroot thing, he only used it

11:24 <@PeterFuchs> as the part of an installation

11:25 <@PeterFuchs> Battlefield 1942 mod Desert Storme has a Palestinian mod, as far as I remember. And that mod was even more popular then the original game

11:25 <@PeterFuchs> Desert Combat, not Storm

11:26 < aleij_> yes, i think i've read about it somewhere

11:26 < adila> wil hve t check it and get bck

11:26 <@PeterFuchs> http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/08/17/hezbollah-game-celebrates-2006-clash-with-israel

11:26 <@PeterFuchs> here it is

11:27 <@PeterFuchs> at least one of them

11:29 < adila> ezbollah is a lebanese group, heard of it, pplr game

11:29 <@PeterFuchs> yes, this is not the actual one

11:29 <@PeterFuchs> the one I saw was definetly Palestinian

11:30 <@PeterFuchs> I will ask the curator for a link

11:30 <@PeterFuchs> I will tell you in the afternoon session

11:30 < adila> ok

11:34 <@PeterFuchs> workiing on it…

11:38 < aleij_> its interesting to see how a trend in games modding can develop from the talk about using games as therapy

11:39 < aleij_> as said im researching on the use of sound, but certaily will take this notions shared here in account to anything i can produce

11:42 <@PeterFuchs> it is a conveninet procedure - games are artworks and functions as therapy tools. MOre then many other media I know nowadays

11:44 <@PeterFuchs> I have invited the curator of that exhibition for our afternoon session

11:46 <@PeterFuchs> here is the link for the games: http://maarav.org.il/classes/PUItem.php?lang=ENG&id=869

11:46 <@PeterFuchs> some of them at least

11:48 <@PeterFuchs> check out the games in the link please, they are numerous

11:53 <+aleij_> ok, thanks, yes im checking the links

11:54 <+aleij_> ive seen one of those works, we shared an exhibition space in Bergen

11:54 <+aleij_> piksel fest 2005

11:54 <+aleij_> t(error)

11:54 <+aleij_> is the name of the piece

11:55 <+aleij_> isabelle anvers was the curator

11:57 <@PeterFuchs> see you all at the afternoon session!

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